1 00:00:05,990 --> 00:00:03,030 whether you're joining us here in 2 00:00:08,070 --> 00:00:06,000 beautiful colorado springs or virtually 3 00:00:09,830 --> 00:00:08,080 welcome and thank you so much for 4 00:00:11,910 --> 00:00:09,840 joining us for today's panel titled 5 00:00:13,190 --> 00:00:11,920 artemis and industry building the space 6 00:00:15,509 --> 00:00:13,200 economy 7 00:00:17,990 --> 00:00:15,519 i am joined by a stellar group of nasa 8 00:00:19,750 --> 00:00:18,000 leaders for today's discussion 9 00:00:21,510 --> 00:00:19,760 we have jim free 10 00:00:22,950 --> 00:00:21,520 head of nasa exploration systems 11 00:00:25,509 --> 00:00:22,960 development 12 00:00:27,750 --> 00:00:25,519 ken bowersox who together with kathy 13 00:00:29,589 --> 00:00:27,760 leaders leads the space operations 14 00:00:33,190 --> 00:00:29,599 mission directorate 15 00:00:35,270 --> 00:00:33,200 dr thomas cerbukin head of nasa science 16 00:00:37,110 --> 00:00:35,280 and jim reuter head of nasa space 17 00:00:39,590 --> 00:00:37,120 technology 18 00:00:41,190 --> 00:00:39,600 now before we dive into our more focused 19 00:00:42,830 --> 00:00:41,200 artemis topic 20 00:00:45,350 --> 00:00:42,840 on the space economy and industry 21 00:00:47,110 --> 00:00:45,360 partnerships i'd like to provide a brief 22 00:00:49,590 --> 00:00:47,120 overview to ensure that our wonderful 23 00:00:51,270 --> 00:00:49,600 audience has all the fundamentals 24 00:00:53,670 --> 00:00:51,280 after that i'll transition it to each of 25 00:00:56,709 --> 00:00:53,680 our panelists for initial remarks so 26 00:00:58,950 --> 00:00:56,719 with that let's go ahead and get started 27 00:00:59,990 --> 00:00:58,960 artemis is nasa's lunar exploration 28 00:01:01,910 --> 00:01:00,000 program 29 00:01:04,310 --> 00:01:01,920 and it's important to understand that 30 00:01:05,990 --> 00:01:04,320 artemis isn't just one mission it's 31 00:01:08,550 --> 00:01:06,000 actually a series of increasingly 32 00:01:10,390 --> 00:01:08,560 complex missions paving the way for 33 00:01:12,070 --> 00:01:10,400 lunar surface missions 34 00:01:14,149 --> 00:01:12,080 with the first woman and the first 35 00:01:17,830 --> 00:01:14,159 person of color as well as future 36 00:01:19,910 --> 00:01:17,840 missions to send astronauts to mars 37 00:01:23,190 --> 00:01:19,920 artemis will turn science fiction into 38 00:01:24,870 --> 00:01:23,200 reality as we learn to live and work 39 00:01:26,710 --> 00:01:24,880 off-world 40 00:01:28,950 --> 00:01:26,720 there are several key elements to the 41 00:01:30,789 --> 00:01:28,960 artemis mission architecture 42 00:01:33,350 --> 00:01:30,799 artemis uses the space launch systems 43 00:01:35,429 --> 00:01:33,360 rocket which is the largest ever built 44 00:01:38,069 --> 00:01:35,439 the orion crew spacecraft 45 00:01:40,069 --> 00:01:38,079 a gateway spacecraft in lunar orbit 46 00:01:43,030 --> 00:01:40,079 and cutting edge exploration ground 47 00:01:44,950 --> 00:01:43,040 systems and astronaut landing systems 48 00:01:46,710 --> 00:01:44,960 and it's always important to talk about 49 00:01:49,350 --> 00:01:46,720 the why even in an audience of people 50 00:01:50,789 --> 00:01:49,360 who love space as much as we all do 51 00:01:53,830 --> 00:01:50,799 we're going back to the moon for 52 00:01:55,830 --> 00:01:53,840 scientific discovery economic benefits 53 00:01:57,830 --> 00:01:55,840 and inspiration 54 00:01:59,749 --> 00:01:57,840 for a new generation of explorers the 55 00:02:01,350 --> 00:01:59,759 artemis generation 56 00:02:04,069 --> 00:02:01,360 in collaboration with industry 57 00:02:05,990 --> 00:02:04,079 commercial and international partners 58 00:02:09,029 --> 00:02:06,000 we will establish the first long-term 59 00:02:10,869 --> 00:02:09,039 presence on the moon while maintaining 60 00:02:13,430 --> 00:02:10,879 american leadership and exploration we 61 00:02:16,150 --> 00:02:13,440 will build a global alliance and explore 62 00:02:18,390 --> 00:02:16,160 deep space for the benefit of all 63 00:02:20,229 --> 00:02:18,400 humanity's historic return to the moon 64 00:02:21,589 --> 00:02:20,239 takes flight this year with the artemis 65 00:02:24,309 --> 00:02:21,599 one launch 66 00:02:26,470 --> 00:02:24,319 artemis one is an uncrewed flight test 67 00:02:28,150 --> 00:02:26,480 targeted for no earlier than late may 68 00:02:30,150 --> 00:02:28,160 which will allow nasa to check out 69 00:02:33,830 --> 00:02:30,160 rocket and spacecraft systems before 70 00:02:37,190 --> 00:02:33,840 they before crew fly aboard artemis ii 71 00:02:39,430 --> 00:02:37,200 artemis one uncrewed artemis ii crude 72 00:02:41,350 --> 00:02:39,440 and future uncrewed lander demonstration 73 00:02:43,110 --> 00:02:41,360 missions with spacex 74 00:02:45,990 --> 00:02:43,120 will precede the artemis iii mission 75 00:02:47,670 --> 00:02:46,000 when astronauts will land on the moon 76 00:02:50,390 --> 00:02:47,680 we'll use what we learn on and around 77 00:02:53,110 --> 00:02:50,400 the moon to take that next giant leap 78 00:02:55,350 --> 00:02:53,120 sending astronauts to mars 79 00:02:57,190 --> 00:02:55,360 with that i will conclude artemis 101 i 80 00:02:58,630 --> 00:02:57,200 hope that you're all still awake and 81 00:03:01,110 --> 00:02:58,640 turn it over to our nasa leaders 82 00:03:02,710 --> 00:03:01,120 beginning with jim free 83 00:03:05,830 --> 00:03:02,720 thanks lauren i feel like you just gave 84 00:03:07,589 --> 00:03:05,840 my talk so what lauren said um 85 00:03:10,390 --> 00:03:07,599 let's see uh thank you for the 86 00:03:13,589 --> 00:03:10,400 opportunity to be here with um my my 87 00:03:16,229 --> 00:03:13,599 nasa colleagues and uh i guess i'll just 88 00:03:17,589 --> 00:03:16,239 give a quick minute on artemis one since 89 00:03:19,990 --> 00:03:17,599 that seems to be the elephant in the 90 00:03:22,070 --> 00:03:20,000 room um 91 00:03:25,110 --> 00:03:22,080 it's been tremendous uh to watch the 92 00:03:28,309 --> 00:03:25,120 team i was at ksc till late yesterday 93 00:03:30,390 --> 00:03:28,319 and flew here last night and 94 00:03:31,830 --> 00:03:30,400 working through a lot of issues of 95 00:03:32,949 --> 00:03:31,840 bringing the vehicle together for the 96 00:03:35,190 --> 00:03:32,959 first time 97 00:03:37,589 --> 00:03:35,200 um dealing with interesting commodities 98 00:03:39,589 --> 00:03:37,599 and large quantities like lox and 99 00:03:41,589 --> 00:03:39,599 hydrogen learning about how all these 100 00:03:44,789 --> 00:03:41,599 systems come together so 101 00:03:46,710 --> 00:03:44,799 um the the the test yesterday 102 00:03:48,550 --> 00:03:46,720 we did get 103 00:03:51,030 --> 00:03:48,560 get some locks 104 00:03:51,990 --> 00:03:51,040 flow into the into the tank on the core 105 00:03:53,910 --> 00:03:52,000 stage 106 00:03:56,390 --> 00:03:53,920 and and that was all due to the team 107 00:03:57,589 --> 00:03:56,400 really figuring out real time what was 108 00:03:58,949 --> 00:03:57,599 happening 109 00:04:01,350 --> 00:03:58,959 on the vehicle 110 00:04:02,070 --> 00:04:01,360 adjusting and getting that that flowing 111 00:04:04,309 --> 00:04:02,080 so 112 00:04:05,589 --> 00:04:04,319 we didn't get through everything we want 113 00:04:07,589 --> 00:04:05,599 wanted 114 00:04:09,830 --> 00:04:07,599 but certainly learned a great deal that 115 00:04:13,110 --> 00:04:09,840 we'll take into our next attempt 116 00:04:15,270 --> 00:04:13,120 we will follow axiom on the range 117 00:04:17,509 --> 00:04:15,280 pam talked about that cooperation that's 118 00:04:19,430 --> 00:04:17,519 that's another uh cooperation that we 119 00:04:22,390 --> 00:04:19,440 have we need to get the axiom mission 120 00:04:24,710 --> 00:04:22,400 done so we can get crew 4 and 121 00:04:26,950 --> 00:04:24,720 you know we waited for transporter 4 to 122 00:04:28,790 --> 00:04:26,960 launch on friday in order to do our 123 00:04:32,150 --> 00:04:28,800 tests so great 124 00:04:33,990 --> 00:04:32,160 i'll say synergies across there um 125 00:04:36,230 --> 00:04:34,000 you know there's a press conference 126 00:04:37,590 --> 00:04:36,240 later today with uh with some of the 127 00:04:39,830 --> 00:04:37,600 folks that kind of walk through a little 128 00:04:41,749 --> 00:04:39,840 bit more detail and they'll they'll give 129 00:04:43,189 --> 00:04:41,759 you our possibilities 130 00:04:45,030 --> 00:04:43,199 i'll address the other elephant in the 131 00:04:46,310 --> 00:04:45,040 room we are working on having launch 132 00:04:48,790 --> 00:04:46,320 commentary 133 00:04:50,629 --> 00:04:48,800 um i know that's been something that 134 00:04:52,390 --> 00:04:50,639 that folks really want and i understand 135 00:04:53,830 --> 00:04:52,400 that we're gonna we're working towards 136 00:04:56,310 --> 00:04:53,840 that for launch 137 00:04:59,749 --> 00:04:56,320 actively working it even even yesterday 138 00:05:02,070 --> 00:04:59,759 with our public affairs folks 139 00:05:04,469 --> 00:05:02,080 our mission is to work across 140 00:05:06,310 --> 00:05:04,479 all of nasa pam talked about that 141 00:05:08,870 --> 00:05:06,320 working all five mission directorates we 142 00:05:12,070 --> 00:05:08,880 obviously have a strong partnership with 143 00:05:14,629 --> 00:05:12,080 somb as we develop hardware and hand it 144 00:05:17,029 --> 00:05:14,639 over to them for operations 145 00:05:20,230 --> 00:05:17,039 our artemis architecture is built on 146 00:05:21,430 --> 00:05:20,240 science um to get science back 147 00:05:24,070 --> 00:05:21,440 i told 148 00:05:26,230 --> 00:05:24,080 our congressional folks the other day uh 149 00:05:29,029 --> 00:05:26,240 you know thomas opened the last sample 150 00:05:31,029 --> 00:05:29,039 from apollo a couple weeks ago so the 151 00:05:32,790 --> 00:05:31,039 pressure's on us now to get some more 152 00:05:34,390 --> 00:05:32,800 some more back 153 00:05:37,909 --> 00:05:34,400 and then obviously we work closely with 154 00:05:39,830 --> 00:05:37,919 space tech to integrate ourselves and 155 00:05:41,350 --> 00:05:39,840 and use the technology that is being 156 00:05:43,830 --> 00:05:41,360 brought to bear you know there's 157 00:05:46,150 --> 00:05:43,840 economic opportunities across the board 158 00:05:49,430 --> 00:05:46,160 from our perspective uh we're about to 159 00:05:52,469 --> 00:05:49,440 award a suits contract that was uh based 160 00:05:55,670 --> 00:05:52,479 on services from other people 161 00:05:58,150 --> 00:05:55,680 using spacesuits in in the future 162 00:06:00,629 --> 00:05:58,160 the lander contract that pam uh 163 00:06:02,629 --> 00:06:00,639 mentioned that where we're developing 164 00:06:04,710 --> 00:06:02,639 the next set of landers that can then be 165 00:06:06,710 --> 00:06:04,720 a services contract where other people 166 00:06:08,950 --> 00:06:06,720 can use those landers 167 00:06:11,350 --> 00:06:08,960 for their own purposes and and we have 168 00:06:14,150 --> 00:06:11,360 gateway where we have logistics to 169 00:06:16,390 --> 00:06:14,160 gateway as a service we we just put out 170 00:06:18,070 --> 00:06:16,400 an rfi for additional gateway 171 00:06:20,390 --> 00:06:18,080 opportunities so for me economic 172 00:06:22,550 --> 00:06:20,400 opportunities are are all over 173 00:06:25,830 --> 00:06:22,560 um our architecture leverages private 174 00:06:26,710 --> 00:06:25,840 investment um now and in the future 175 00:06:28,550 --> 00:06:26,720 um 176 00:06:31,110 --> 00:06:28,560 and and to use those commercial 177 00:06:32,870 --> 00:06:31,120 capabilities for our own so our for our 178 00:06:34,390 --> 00:06:32,880 own uh benefit 179 00:06:37,029 --> 00:06:34,400 and then of course we have international 180 00:06:39,350 --> 00:06:37,039 partners that have their own uh economic 181 00:06:42,230 --> 00:06:39,360 opportunities that then feed what we 182 00:06:44,710 --> 00:06:42,240 need to do for our missions for future 183 00:06:46,870 --> 00:06:44,720 elements current and future elements so 184 00:06:49,350 --> 00:06:46,880 from my perspective we are part of the 185 00:06:53,749 --> 00:06:49,360 space economy and look forward to using 186 00:06:57,589 --> 00:06:54,550 right 187 00:06:58,870 --> 00:06:57,599 yeah hi i'm ken bowersox from space 188 00:07:01,029 --> 00:06:58,880 operations 189 00:07:04,309 --> 00:07:01,039 um it's it's really wonderful to be here 190 00:07:05,189 --> 00:07:04,319 in colorado springs with all of you 191 00:07:09,670 --> 00:07:05,199 it's 192 00:07:12,230 --> 00:07:09,680 interact here and how 193 00:07:14,710 --> 00:07:12,240 relationships are built that will be 194 00:07:16,230 --> 00:07:14,720 indispensable in building the space 195 00:07:17,909 --> 00:07:16,240 economy 196 00:07:20,390 --> 00:07:17,919 you know there are a lot of ways if you 197 00:07:22,550 --> 00:07:20,400 want to make the uh the space economy 198 00:07:25,110 --> 00:07:22,560 bigger one way is just grow the federal 199 00:07:26,629 --> 00:07:25,120 budget and spend more money 200 00:07:27,830 --> 00:07:26,639 another way is to bring in private 201 00:07:30,950 --> 00:07:27,840 capital 202 00:07:33,909 --> 00:07:30,960 um it's it's a lot harder uh from a 203 00:07:35,589 --> 00:07:33,919 government uh perspective i think uh to 204 00:07:37,909 --> 00:07:35,599 come up with ways to bring in that 205 00:07:40,390 --> 00:07:37,919 private capital and expand the work 206 00:07:42,309 --> 00:07:40,400 that's going on uh but i think it's got 207 00:07:44,150 --> 00:07:42,319 the biggest potential for helping us 208 00:07:47,350 --> 00:07:44,160 accomplish the things that that we want 209 00:07:48,550 --> 00:07:47,360 to do in space exploration 210 00:07:50,790 --> 00:07:48,560 over the last 211 00:07:53,350 --> 00:07:50,800 20 years it's been really exciting to 212 00:07:56,230 --> 00:07:53,360 see the progress we've been making 213 00:07:58,469 --> 00:07:56,240 in low earth orbit trying new ways to 214 00:08:02,790 --> 00:07:58,479 bring in commercial partners 215 00:08:04,629 --> 00:08:02,800 and and to develop the the different 216 00:08:06,790 --> 00:08:04,639 capabilities that we need on the 217 00:08:08,150 --> 00:08:06,800 international space station for crew and 218 00:08:09,909 --> 00:08:08,160 cargo 219 00:08:11,029 --> 00:08:09,919 but as i've watched 220 00:08:13,670 --> 00:08:11,039 those 221 00:08:16,469 --> 00:08:13,680 capabilities develop 222 00:08:18,790 --> 00:08:16,479 the thing that struck me most is is one 223 00:08:21,029 --> 00:08:18,800 of the hardest things for us on the 224 00:08:22,550 --> 00:08:21,039 government side has been 225 00:08:24,629 --> 00:08:22,560 to release 226 00:08:26,550 --> 00:08:24,639 some of the control that we had by 227 00:08:28,550 --> 00:08:26,560 releasing some of the control 228 00:08:30,309 --> 00:08:28,560 exceeding some of that control to 229 00:08:31,270 --> 00:08:30,319 commercial partners that that we've 230 00:08:33,829 --> 00:08:31,280 built 231 00:08:36,149 --> 00:08:33,839 trust relationships with we can get so 232 00:08:38,709 --> 00:08:36,159 much more back and i think 233 00:08:41,990 --> 00:08:38,719 we're going to see that trend continue 234 00:08:43,990 --> 00:08:42,000 into artemis and i think it has a lot of 235 00:08:47,190 --> 00:08:44,000 wonderful potential as we explore 236 00:08:49,829 --> 00:08:47,200 further out into the solar system 237 00:08:51,350 --> 00:08:49,839 well i'm really excited to be here 238 00:08:53,190 --> 00:08:51,360 jim already mentioned that of course 239 00:08:54,389 --> 00:08:53,200 science is an important part of artemis 240 00:08:56,070 --> 00:08:54,399 and we see it 241 00:08:57,509 --> 00:08:56,080 both as a responsibility and an 242 00:08:59,509 --> 00:08:57,519 opportunity 243 00:09:00,630 --> 00:08:59,519 the responsibility for us to provide the 244 00:09:02,310 --> 00:09:00,640 information 245 00:09:04,389 --> 00:09:02,320 that help us pick the right landing 246 00:09:07,030 --> 00:09:04,399 sites with our orbital asset that has 247 00:09:09,670 --> 00:09:07,040 been there lunar reconnaissance orbiter 248 00:09:10,710 --> 00:09:09,680 provide the information about resources 249 00:09:13,190 --> 00:09:10,720 on 250 00:09:19,670 --> 00:09:13,200 and 251 00:09:21,750 --> 00:09:19,680 the technology side of the house the 252 00:09:24,070 --> 00:09:21,760 operation side of the house to really 253 00:09:25,910 --> 00:09:24,080 make sure our presence back at the 254 00:09:28,630 --> 00:09:25,920 moment becomes sustainable 255 00:09:30,310 --> 00:09:28,640 the opportunity is overwhelming for us 256 00:09:31,430 --> 00:09:30,320 also what we can do 257 00:09:33,509 --> 00:09:31,440 is with 258 00:09:36,790 --> 00:09:33,519 this new space economy we can do 259 00:09:38,710 --> 00:09:36,800 missions we can do work in ways frankly 260 00:09:40,230 --> 00:09:38,720 that was the stuff of dreams even five 261 00:09:41,750 --> 00:09:40,240 years ago 262 00:09:43,750 --> 00:09:41,760 what i mean with that of course is that 263 00:09:47,030 --> 00:09:43,760 artemis iii you know kind of with the 264 00:09:49,110 --> 00:09:47,040 plan moving forward we're working to 265 00:09:51,670 --> 00:09:49,120 really get the maximum science out of 266 00:09:54,310 --> 00:09:51,680 this it's not the same as it was in a 267 00:09:55,910 --> 00:09:54,320 polo we have virtual reality we have you 268 00:09:58,389 --> 00:09:55,920 know kind of the communication system 269 00:10:01,430 --> 00:09:58,399 that is being built and as being 270 00:10:03,910 --> 00:10:01,440 deployed by uh sox and his team you know 271 00:10:06,150 --> 00:10:03,920 and and the entire uh system that is 272 00:10:08,710 --> 00:10:06,160 being built with uh 273 00:10:10,310 --> 00:10:08,720 jim and his commercial team uh we're 274 00:10:12,470 --> 00:10:10,320 basically have the opportunity of doing 275 00:10:14,470 --> 00:10:12,480 amazing science the way we treat that 276 00:10:16,550 --> 00:10:14,480 kind of science is like we treat any 277 00:10:18,310 --> 00:10:16,560 other mission whether it's james webb 278 00:10:19,750 --> 00:10:18,320 whether it's a planetary mission and so 279 00:10:21,829 --> 00:10:19,760 forth we figure out what's the best 280 00:10:24,150 --> 00:10:21,839 science we can do and we build a science 281 00:10:26,630 --> 00:10:24,160 and technology definition team for that 282 00:10:28,949 --> 00:10:26,640 so we actually get the maximum out of it 283 00:10:31,110 --> 00:10:28,959 that's opportunity we're really excited 284 00:10:33,030 --> 00:10:31,120 about it yes we opened that sample 285 00:10:34,790 --> 00:10:33,040 because frankly it seemed to me 286 00:10:36,310 --> 00:10:34,800 we believe that there's new samples 287 00:10:38,630 --> 00:10:36,320 coming so let's make sure that the 288 00:10:40,230 --> 00:10:38,640 community is ready to really address 289 00:10:42,790 --> 00:10:40,240 those samples they need to practice 290 00:10:45,350 --> 00:10:42,800 again really deploy that excitement of 291 00:10:47,509 --> 00:10:45,360 doing this sample analysis looking at 292 00:10:50,389 --> 00:10:47,519 questions that frankly at the apollo 293 00:10:53,030 --> 00:10:50,399 time period were crazy questions about 294 00:10:54,069 --> 00:10:53,040 volatiles sometimes we refer to them as 295 00:10:56,230 --> 00:10:54,079 water 296 00:10:58,470 --> 00:10:56,240 volatiles which of course we could use 297 00:11:00,870 --> 00:10:58,480 for uh for fuel 298 00:11:02,710 --> 00:11:00,880 perhaps to survive but also because of 299 00:11:04,470 --> 00:11:02,720 the fact that they provide enormous 300 00:11:06,710 --> 00:11:04,480 amounts of information about the moon 301 00:11:09,269 --> 00:11:06,720 itself and its history information we 302 00:11:10,310 --> 00:11:09,279 didn't know was even 15 years ago so so 303 00:11:12,069 --> 00:11:10,320 for us 304 00:11:14,069 --> 00:11:12,079 that's really exciting again at the 305 00:11:15,829 --> 00:11:14,079 opportunity but also in this case the 306 00:11:17,910 --> 00:11:15,839 responsibility because that information 307 00:11:20,630 --> 00:11:17,920 is absolutely critical as we go forward 308 00:11:22,550 --> 00:11:20,640 and look at isru's and so forth well 309 00:11:24,310 --> 00:11:22,560 we're not waiting for artemis three 310 00:11:26,150 --> 00:11:24,320 though to go to the moon and and we're 311 00:11:28,790 --> 00:11:26,160 really excited at the commercial lunar 312 00:11:31,910 --> 00:11:28,800 payload services now everybody was paid 313 00:11:33,509 --> 00:11:31,920 attention realizes that uh it's uh uh 314 00:11:35,590 --> 00:11:33,519 you know we wanted to launch some of 315 00:11:37,590 --> 00:11:35,600 these missions last year 316 00:11:39,430 --> 00:11:37,600 i want to tell you that we struggled in 317 00:11:41,670 --> 00:11:39,440 a number of missions with covet supply 318 00:11:43,190 --> 00:11:41,680 chain issues but also frankly these are 319 00:11:45,670 --> 00:11:43,200 the first missions these companies are 320 00:11:47,829 --> 00:11:45,680 doing we're standing right behind them 321 00:11:49,590 --> 00:11:47,839 you know with astrobotic with its 11 322 00:11:52,310 --> 00:11:49,600 payloads that will go to the surface of 323 00:11:54,949 --> 00:11:52,320 the moon and uh you know intuitive 324 00:11:57,430 --> 00:11:54,959 machines with another six payloads and 325 00:11:59,030 --> 00:11:57,440 then uh frankly one in partnership with 326 00:12:00,710 --> 00:11:59,040 you what has happened with the 327 00:12:03,990 --> 00:12:00,720 commercial owner payload services with 328 00:12:06,550 --> 00:12:04,000 the various uh contracts there uh it 329 00:12:09,350 --> 00:12:06,560 created kind of an innovative flywheel 330 00:12:11,350 --> 00:12:09,360 that has frankly created an amount of 331 00:12:13,590 --> 00:12:11,360 innovation and planetary instrumentation 332 00:12:14,870 --> 00:12:13,600 and technology that we haven't seen we 333 00:12:17,670 --> 00:12:14,880 haven't seen 334 00:12:19,430 --> 00:12:17,680 in decades uh the total amount of 335 00:12:22,150 --> 00:12:19,440 technologies and of instruments are 336 00:12:24,710 --> 00:12:22,160 being built on range in the order 40. 337 00:12:27,269 --> 00:12:24,720 i'll talk talk to you about one of them 338 00:12:29,829 --> 00:12:27,279 on the far side of the moon when the sun 339 00:12:31,269 --> 00:12:29,839 and the uh uh the earth are on the same 340 00:12:34,790 --> 00:12:31,279 side of the moon the far side of the 341 00:12:37,990 --> 00:12:34,800 moon is really dark and really quiet and 342 00:12:39,910 --> 00:12:38,000 when jupiter and saturn are also on the 343 00:12:42,230 --> 00:12:39,920 same side of the moon 344 00:12:43,990 --> 00:12:42,240 as is the sun and the earth so it's full 345 00:12:46,310 --> 00:12:44,000 moon on earth if you want 346 00:12:49,110 --> 00:12:46,320 on the far side it's the most radio 347 00:12:51,670 --> 00:12:49,120 quiet place in the solar system 348 00:12:52,389 --> 00:12:51,680 so we're deploying a payload to that far 349 00:12:53,509 --> 00:12:52,399 side 350 00:12:55,269 --> 00:12:53,519 and we're coming up with new 351 00:12:57,829 --> 00:12:55,279 technologies to make sure they can make 352 00:12:58,949 --> 00:12:57,839 measurements during the dark side there 353 00:13:00,710 --> 00:12:58,959 to look 354 00:13:01,990 --> 00:13:00,720 at the universe in ways we've never been 355 00:13:04,230 --> 00:13:02,000 able to do we're doing that with the 356 00:13:05,829 --> 00:13:04,240 department of energy that's one 357 00:13:08,230 --> 00:13:05,839 of many of those technologies we 358 00:13:10,389 --> 00:13:08,240 couldn't have dreamt uh to do it viper 359 00:13:13,350 --> 00:13:10,399 of course the rover that will go uh you 360 00:13:15,350 --> 00:13:13,360 know uh uh in mid-decade here we're 361 00:13:16,870 --> 00:13:15,360 getting ready for i just recently was 362 00:13:19,590 --> 00:13:16,880 there i want to know i want you to know 363 00:13:22,069 --> 00:13:19,600 that every single instrument on viper is 364 00:13:23,590 --> 00:13:22,079 already on the lander going to the moon 365 00:13:25,910 --> 00:13:23,600 before 366 00:13:27,509 --> 00:13:25,920 that creates a development paradigm 367 00:13:30,389 --> 00:13:27,519 that's very much different than what i'm 368 00:13:31,990 --> 00:13:30,399 used to normally this is the only 369 00:13:34,389 --> 00:13:32,000 rover i've ever worked on where the 370 00:13:35,910 --> 00:13:34,399 instruments are not on the critical path 371 00:13:38,949 --> 00:13:35,920 that's what happens if you have a new 372 00:13:41,430 --> 00:13:38,959 space economy you can start driving new 373 00:13:43,670 --> 00:13:41,440 development paradigms can take more risk 374 00:13:45,990 --> 00:13:43,680 create innovation platforms that are 375 00:13:48,389 --> 00:13:46,000 otherwise not there and create of course 376 00:13:51,269 --> 00:13:48,399 a community that will be available 377 00:13:52,949 --> 00:13:51,279 for you sucks for you jim if you need 378 00:13:54,629 --> 00:13:52,959 that community and of course for the 379 00:13:56,310 --> 00:13:54,639 important technology you do jim so why 380 00:13:58,310 --> 00:13:56,320 don't you take over all right well thank 381 00:13:59,990 --> 00:13:58,320 you thomas and it's a great pleasure for 382 00:14:01,269 --> 00:14:00,000 me to be here especially with my steven 383 00:14:03,750 --> 00:14:01,279 colleagues 384 00:14:04,870 --> 00:14:03,760 and and working together as as we do 385 00:14:06,870 --> 00:14:04,880 um 386 00:14:09,750 --> 00:14:06,880 we in space tech 387 00:14:12,790 --> 00:14:09,760 pursue transformative technologies for 388 00:14:14,310 --> 00:14:12,800 both human and robotic mission enabling 389 00:14:16,150 --> 00:14:14,320 and also enabling the growth of 390 00:14:18,230 --> 00:14:16,160 commercial space in the process and of 391 00:14:19,910 --> 00:14:18,240 course like all of us a core element of 392 00:14:21,430 --> 00:14:19,920 what we're doing is to inspire the next 393 00:14:23,750 --> 00:14:21,440 generation 394 00:14:26,150 --> 00:14:23,760 we we developed this we do a broad 395 00:14:28,629 --> 00:14:26,160 portfolio across the entire technology 396 00:14:31,189 --> 00:14:28,639 readiness level scale 397 00:14:31,990 --> 00:14:31,199 we work for things all the way from very 398 00:14:37,030 --> 00:14:32,000 low 399 00:14:38,389 --> 00:14:37,040 trl um 400 00:14:40,790 --> 00:14:38,399 demonstrating the lab and all the way to 401 00:14:41,990 --> 00:14:40,800 flying a core element of what we try to 402 00:14:44,389 --> 00:14:42,000 do is is 403 00:14:46,150 --> 00:14:44,399 is get across those valleys of death as 404 00:14:48,710 --> 00:14:46,160 we talk about and get into an infusion 405 00:14:50,870 --> 00:14:48,720 path and and i'll say um the clips and 406 00:14:53,110 --> 00:14:50,880 other opportunities that are there just 407 00:14:55,430 --> 00:14:53,120 are a tremendous resource for us 408 00:14:56,870 --> 00:14:55,440 um i like to say our the breath the 409 00:14:59,670 --> 00:14:56,880 breath of our organization is our 410 00:15:01,670 --> 00:14:59,680 strength we we can when we deploy a 411 00:15:04,389 --> 00:15:01,680 problem or try to solve a problem we use 412 00:15:06,790 --> 00:15:04,399 our sbirs we use um tipping point 413 00:15:08,629 --> 00:15:06,800 solicitations and and and in-house 414 00:15:10,790 --> 00:15:08,639 activities and stuff and look across 415 00:15:12,790 --> 00:15:10,800 that and and research grants across that 416 00:15:14,710 --> 00:15:12,800 to try to have a coordinated effort in 417 00:15:16,629 --> 00:15:14,720 addressing a problem and and we can do 418 00:15:18,230 --> 00:15:16,639 that in large part and it results in we 419 00:15:20,150 --> 00:15:18,240 have about 140 or so flight 420 00:15:21,910 --> 00:15:20,160 demonstrations on the books for what 421 00:15:23,350 --> 00:15:21,920 we're doing and when when you consider a 422 00:15:26,470 --> 00:15:23,360 lot of the smaller stuff we do as well 423 00:15:29,269 --> 00:15:26,480 over 1400 projects overall 424 00:15:32,629 --> 00:15:29,279 and and when we get to a mid to high trl 425 00:15:34,710 --> 00:15:32,639 a big push for us is to do so uh in a 426 00:15:36,790 --> 00:15:34,720 public private partnership because there 427 00:15:38,870 --> 00:15:36,800 is it is just a game changer of how 428 00:15:41,350 --> 00:15:38,880 different it is today with the the space 429 00:15:43,030 --> 00:15:41,360 economy the way it is is there is a lot 430 00:15:44,710 --> 00:15:43,040 of private capital that we're we can 431 00:15:47,189 --> 00:15:44,720 leverage and we get the much stronger 432 00:15:49,189 --> 00:15:47,199 product as a result uh the one of the 433 00:15:50,550 --> 00:15:49,199 key ways we do that i mentioned is is 434 00:15:51,910 --> 00:15:50,560 our tipping point solicitation and 435 00:15:53,269 --> 00:15:51,920 actually the preliminary proposals are 436 00:15:55,430 --> 00:15:53,279 due friday 437 00:15:56,949 --> 00:15:55,440 and by all indications of what we had 438 00:15:58,389 --> 00:15:56,959 from what we've seen so far and what 439 00:16:00,150 --> 00:15:58,399 we're hearing is as we talk to people 440 00:16:01,509 --> 00:16:00,160 here is is it will be far and away a 441 00:16:03,350 --> 00:16:01,519 record for us in terms of number of 442 00:16:05,430 --> 00:16:03,360 solicitations and i can tell you it's 443 00:16:07,269 --> 00:16:05,440 going to be some fantastic stuff these 444 00:16:08,470 --> 00:16:07,279 are i'm always amazed at the creativity 445 00:16:10,310 --> 00:16:08,480 of these 446 00:16:11,990 --> 00:16:10,320 a big part of what we do is to support 447 00:16:13,910 --> 00:16:12,000 artemis uh both in the human and 448 00:16:15,749 --> 00:16:13,920 robotics side the solar electric 449 00:16:17,990 --> 00:16:15,759 propulsion system that supports uh the 450 00:16:20,550 --> 00:16:18,000 gateway power and propulsion element 451 00:16:22,230 --> 00:16:20,560 a big success story actually is the 452 00:16:23,269 --> 00:16:22,240 rollout solar arrays that are deployed 453 00:16:24,949 --> 00:16:23,279 on on 454 00:16:28,150 --> 00:16:24,959 the power and propulsion element that 455 00:16:29,509 --> 00:16:28,160 also is deployed on dart and and also on 456 00:16:32,389 --> 00:16:29,519 the iss 457 00:16:35,430 --> 00:16:32,399 among other places that started uh with 458 00:16:37,590 --> 00:16:35,440 about a dozen sbirs and and then through 459 00:16:39,110 --> 00:16:37,600 time we developed it and and it was 460 00:16:41,749 --> 00:16:39,120 taken over by missions as we went 461 00:16:44,150 --> 00:16:41,759 through a great success story uh we fly 462 00:16:46,230 --> 00:16:44,160 it was mentioned uh by pam i think that 463 00:16:49,030 --> 00:16:46,240 the capstone mission which is a small 464 00:16:51,350 --> 00:16:49,040 12-view cubesat a size of a 465 00:16:54,310 --> 00:16:51,360 a small microwave oven um 466 00:16:55,990 --> 00:16:54,320 and it'll be going into the the near the 467 00:16:57,430 --> 00:16:56,000 near earth uh the 468 00:16:59,269 --> 00:16:57,440 well the the 469 00:17:00,870 --> 00:16:59,279 i'm stumbling over the words so it'll be 470 00:17:03,189 --> 00:17:00,880 going into the gateway orbit the near 471 00:17:04,789 --> 00:17:03,199 record selenium halo orbit and stuff and 472 00:17:06,630 --> 00:17:04,799 it'll be our first time to demonstrate 473 00:17:08,789 --> 00:17:06,640 this in a very small package and and 474 00:17:11,270 --> 00:17:08,799 very creative as what they're doing 475 00:17:13,189 --> 00:17:11,280 um on the lunar surface we have over 30 476 00:17:16,230 --> 00:17:13,199 technologies flying on on the cliffs of 477 00:17:17,669 --> 00:17:16,240 of of thomas's um doing all kinds of 478 00:17:19,189 --> 00:17:17,679 things that like 479 00:17:20,789 --> 00:17:19,199 for us to try to help establish a 480 00:17:22,470 --> 00:17:20,799 sustainable presence on the moon and 481 00:17:25,029 --> 00:17:22,480 that sustainable presence means the 482 00:17:26,789 --> 00:17:25,039 power systems that we might deploy uh 483 00:17:28,549 --> 00:17:26,799 how do we utilize in situ resource 484 00:17:30,630 --> 00:17:28,559 utilization are there construction 485 00:17:32,950 --> 00:17:30,640 activities that we can do and and so on 486 00:17:34,549 --> 00:17:32,960 and how do we access areas that are 487 00:17:36,230 --> 00:17:34,559 extremely hard to do and difficult to 488 00:17:39,190 --> 00:17:36,240 reach 489 00:17:41,190 --> 00:17:39,200 all that um in concert with with um 490 00:17:43,909 --> 00:17:41,200 universities and and with the industry 491 00:17:45,750 --> 00:17:43,919 and and within our own nasa folks 492 00:17:49,029 --> 00:17:45,760 we there's two other things that we try 493 00:17:51,669 --> 00:17:49,039 to um develop as we go through this um 494 00:17:54,310 --> 00:17:51,679 uh consortium uh one one of the areas 495 00:17:56,230 --> 00:17:54,320 that we're trying to have in order to to 496 00:17:57,990 --> 00:17:56,240 develop our lunar surface system into a 497 00:18:00,470 --> 00:17:58,000 sustainable presence a big part of that 498 00:18:02,230 --> 00:18:00,480 is to engage uh the community as we go 499 00:18:04,390 --> 00:18:02,240 along and so the reason we established 500 00:18:07,430 --> 00:18:04,400 the lunar service innovation consortium 501 00:18:09,270 --> 00:18:07,440 is is to gain a great input uh and 502 00:18:11,430 --> 00:18:09,280 coordination with the communication with 503 00:18:13,270 --> 00:18:11,440 the entire community space community and 504 00:18:14,390 --> 00:18:13,280 in the two years or so that we've been 505 00:18:16,310 --> 00:18:14,400 operating now 506 00:18:17,669 --> 00:18:16,320 there's now over 600 organizations that 507 00:18:20,390 --> 00:18:17,679 actively 508 00:18:25,750 --> 00:18:20,400 participate on a regular basis 509 00:18:29,029 --> 00:18:27,190 oh well 510 00:18:30,950 --> 00:18:29,039 over 600 organizations that participate 511 00:18:31,830 --> 00:18:30,960 across all 50 states 512 00:18:33,270 --> 00:18:31,840 um 513 00:18:34,950 --> 00:18:33,280 and then just kind of to wrap up there's 514 00:18:36,630 --> 00:18:34,960 a couple things we also you know look 515 00:18:38,310 --> 00:18:36,640 for okay what's it's not just a 516 00:18:40,789 --> 00:18:38,320 sustainable presence on the moon but 517 00:18:42,549 --> 00:18:40,799 what do we look for uh and what are the 518 00:18:44,230 --> 00:18:42,559 tall poles in reaching and going humans 519 00:18:45,590 --> 00:18:44,240 to mars there's three 520 00:18:48,310 --> 00:18:45,600 there's three key activities that we 521 00:18:50,950 --> 00:18:48,320 have ongoing now to do so uh the first 522 00:18:53,590 --> 00:18:50,960 pla first item is a deep space optical 523 00:18:55,830 --> 00:18:53,600 communications demonstration that's on 524 00:18:57,909 --> 00:18:55,840 the psyche mission for thomas and we'll 525 00:18:59,909 --> 00:18:57,919 be demonstrating from uh of optical 526 00:19:02,310 --> 00:18:59,919 communications from mars 527 00:19:04,789 --> 00:19:02,320 environment and potentially from beyond 528 00:19:07,110 --> 00:19:04,799 we also have what we call our lofted 529 00:19:09,110 --> 00:19:07,120 demonstration it was uh pam mentioned 530 00:19:11,350 --> 00:19:09,120 that when she talked uh and and what 531 00:19:13,430 --> 00:19:11,360 that is is a hypersonic uh decelerator 532 00:19:16,230 --> 00:19:13,440 that's an inflatable well then it's it's 533 00:19:17,669 --> 00:19:16,240 a it's a um a public-private partnership 534 00:19:19,990 --> 00:19:17,679 with ula 535 00:19:22,230 --> 00:19:20,000 um and we're demonstrating a six meter 536 00:19:24,870 --> 00:19:22,240 inflatable system to large 537 00:19:27,430 --> 00:19:24,880 uh heavy payloads ultimately when we get 538 00:19:29,430 --> 00:19:27,440 to a 15 meter or so we can we can large 539 00:19:31,669 --> 00:19:29,440 we can land those large payloads on on 540 00:19:33,830 --> 00:19:31,679 the moon at 20 tons or so 541 00:19:36,630 --> 00:19:33,840 um and then also this is a time for us 542 00:19:38,310 --> 00:19:36,640 to be developing nuclear systems uh 543 00:19:41,190 --> 00:19:38,320 nuclear fission surface power is in our 544 00:19:43,909 --> 00:19:41,200 budget uh and is is the top priority for 545 00:19:45,350 --> 00:19:43,919 us but also in our budget is is the 546 00:19:46,630 --> 00:19:45,360 early development activities for nuclear 547 00:19:48,390 --> 00:19:46,640 propulsion 548 00:19:49,830 --> 00:19:48,400 and and so it's an exciting time i've 549 00:19:52,390 --> 00:19:49,840 never seen a more exciting time than 550 00:19:53,990 --> 00:19:52,400 right now it's a pleasure to be here 551 00:19:55,669 --> 00:19:54,000 outstanding thank you so much for that 552 00:19:57,430 --> 00:19:55,679 contact see you all did great they were 553 00:19:58,630 --> 00:19:57,440 teasing me before this we have opening 554 00:20:00,870 --> 00:19:58,640 remarks 555 00:20:03,270 --> 00:20:00,880 is this panel about artemis but 556 00:20:05,190 --> 00:20:03,280 you're just pulling my leg um 557 00:20:06,789 --> 00:20:05,200 so moving on to the questions let's 558 00:20:09,029 --> 00:20:06,799 let's pull the thread of the space 559 00:20:11,110 --> 00:20:09,039 economy just a little bit further and go 560 00:20:14,149 --> 00:20:11,120 deeper into that so that's kind of the 561 00:20:15,909 --> 00:20:14,159 focus area for this panel but for a lot 562 00:20:17,750 --> 00:20:15,919 of us i think the concept of a space 563 00:20:20,549 --> 00:20:17,760 economy is still relatively new and 564 00:20:22,470 --> 00:20:20,559 perhaps not specifically defined so what 565 00:20:24,870 --> 00:20:22,480 does the space economy mean to you and 566 00:20:27,430 --> 00:20:24,880 and why is artemis key to building it 567 00:20:28,710 --> 00:20:27,440 jim would you start sure um so the 568 00:20:33,350 --> 00:20:28,720 example 569 00:20:34,390 --> 00:20:33,360 commercial leo destinations not to 570 00:20:38,070 --> 00:20:34,400 steal from 571 00:20:39,669 --> 00:20:38,080 from ken here but that's key to us we we 572 00:20:41,669 --> 00:20:39,679 have things where 573 00:20:44,149 --> 00:20:41,679 risk we're buying down on space station 574 00:20:46,470 --> 00:20:44,159 today when space station reaches end of 575 00:20:48,710 --> 00:20:46,480 life we'll continue to use the 576 00:20:51,590 --> 00:20:48,720 commercial leo destinations which to me 577 00:20:53,990 --> 00:20:51,600 is a a great example of the the space 578 00:20:55,909 --> 00:20:54,000 economy to do our buy down our risk for 579 00:20:57,990 --> 00:20:55,919 lunar and mars missions to take 580 00:21:00,549 --> 00:20:58,000 advantage of that microgravity where we 581 00:21:03,110 --> 00:21:00,559 can cycle payloads up and down very 582 00:21:05,590 --> 00:21:03,120 quickly so for me i look at that's our 583 00:21:07,990 --> 00:21:05,600 that's our first opportunity the other 584 00:21:09,990 --> 00:21:08,000 is as the space economy i think pam 585 00:21:11,990 --> 00:21:10,000 talked about it about folks early in 586 00:21:13,669 --> 00:21:12,000 their career about the opportunities 587 00:21:15,750 --> 00:21:13,679 many of you here 588 00:21:17,830 --> 00:21:15,760 that bring those opportunities 589 00:21:20,310 --> 00:21:17,840 we have that to benefit from as we 590 00:21:22,870 --> 00:21:20,320 develop our architecture to go to mars 591 00:21:26,310 --> 00:21:22,880 so we'll have uh keep our architecture 592 00:21:29,350 --> 00:21:26,320 open as technologies develop in in other 593 00:21:30,470 --> 00:21:29,360 parts of the space economy that can then 594 00:21:33,510 --> 00:21:30,480 improve 595 00:21:35,510 --> 00:21:33,520 our reliability our safety or our 596 00:21:38,549 --> 00:21:35,520 mission duration for our mars missions 597 00:21:39,510 --> 00:21:38,559 so to me i look at those two examples 598 00:21:42,149 --> 00:21:39,520 excellent 599 00:21:44,470 --> 00:21:42,159 i mean to me the space economy is just 600 00:21:47,029 --> 00:21:44,480 the production of goods and services in 601 00:21:50,870 --> 00:21:47,039 space uh for all different kinds of 602 00:21:53,430 --> 00:21:50,880 reasons uh for amusement for uh to 603 00:21:56,070 --> 00:21:53,440 scientific knowledge to go further than 604 00:21:58,149 --> 00:21:56,080 we've ever gone before um and i think 605 00:21:59,830 --> 00:21:58,159 there are lots of ways that that we can 606 00:22:00,870 --> 00:21:59,840 develop it 607 00:22:02,950 --> 00:22:00,880 but 608 00:22:05,669 --> 00:22:02,960 the best way is to bring in more and 609 00:22:07,270 --> 00:22:05,679 more participants and watch 610 00:22:09,430 --> 00:22:07,280 more and more missions start to 611 00:22:11,190 --> 00:22:09,440 proliferate both government missions and 612 00:22:12,390 --> 00:22:11,200 non-government missions 613 00:22:14,950 --> 00:22:12,400 and for me 614 00:22:16,950 --> 00:22:14,960 the way it becomes part of 615 00:22:18,230 --> 00:22:16,960 our life and kind of the science mission 616 00:22:19,590 --> 00:22:18,240 directorate one of the things i really 617 00:22:21,830 --> 00:22:19,600 want us to do 618 00:22:24,070 --> 00:22:21,840 is continually ask 619 00:22:27,029 --> 00:22:24,080 what are the opportunity spaces that are 620 00:22:30,470 --> 00:22:27,039 no that are there so we focus tunnel 621 00:22:32,710 --> 00:22:30,480 vision on new signs and signs per dollar 622 00:22:35,270 --> 00:22:32,720 and we use the tools that are there so 623 00:22:38,310 --> 00:22:35,280 we can in fact become first customers in 624 00:22:40,710 --> 00:22:38,320 some of these new places or we can take 625 00:22:42,789 --> 00:22:40,720 advantage of opportunities that 626 00:22:45,909 --> 00:22:42,799 that frankly were not there to do 627 00:22:47,830 --> 00:22:45,919 amazing signs and so for me uh even if 628 00:22:49,350 --> 00:22:47,840 you know the government assets the space 629 00:22:52,230 --> 00:22:49,360 station you know together with our 630 00:22:53,990 --> 00:22:52,240 international partners uh he really 631 00:22:55,270 --> 00:22:54,000 taught us i believe and kind of taught 632 00:22:57,430 --> 00:22:55,280 the science community you know science 633 00:22:59,590 --> 00:22:57,440 community was very much used to building 634 00:23:01,430 --> 00:22:59,600 their own stuff all by themselves like 635 00:23:03,110 --> 00:23:01,440 what happens frankly on the space 636 00:23:04,789 --> 00:23:03,120 station you have more payloads than we 637 00:23:06,390 --> 00:23:04,799 can accommodate uh we have an 638 00:23:08,149 --> 00:23:06,400 embarrassment of i call that a good 639 00:23:09,669 --> 00:23:08,159 problem because people you know 640 00:23:10,789 --> 00:23:09,679 especially for those out there who want 641 00:23:13,270 --> 00:23:10,799 to build 642 00:23:14,789 --> 00:23:13,280 uh commercial uh space stations right 643 00:23:17,350 --> 00:23:14,799 well we have instruments that want to 644 00:23:18,950 --> 00:23:17,360 sit on the outside of these uh we have 645 00:23:21,190 --> 00:23:18,960 science that we want to do on the inside 646 00:23:23,350 --> 00:23:21,200 of these so look through the lens of 647 00:23:25,669 --> 00:23:23,360 what is the science opportunity and how 648 00:23:27,029 --> 00:23:25,679 can we be customers we don't want to own 649 00:23:29,029 --> 00:23:27,039 these companies 650 00:23:31,110 --> 00:23:29,039 so we'd like to always say if somebody 651 00:23:34,230 --> 00:23:31,120 uses the word commercial and i'm 80 off 652 00:23:35,750 --> 00:23:34,240 the market not so interested because and 653 00:23:37,909 --> 00:23:35,760 my worry is i will squeeze all the 654 00:23:39,350 --> 00:23:37,919 commercial spirit out of them 655 00:23:41,590 --> 00:23:39,360 you know by the time we're done with the 656 00:23:43,990 --> 00:23:41,600 contract but what i really what i'd like 657 00:23:46,390 --> 00:23:44,000 us to do is really be a customer and 658 00:23:48,230 --> 00:23:46,400 kind of stand and learn how we can 659 00:23:50,149 --> 00:23:48,240 create opportunity spaces that otherwise 660 00:23:52,070 --> 00:23:50,159 were not there so that's how i see it 661 00:23:53,990 --> 00:23:52,080 it's a in every evolving field of 662 00:23:55,830 --> 00:23:54,000 opportunity 663 00:23:58,310 --> 00:23:55,840 and and what i'd say is um the space 664 00:24:00,390 --> 00:23:58,320 economy right now is defined by the 665 00:24:02,789 --> 00:24:00,400 these consumption of resources to for 666 00:24:04,390 --> 00:24:02,799 the betterment and use of space is a 400 667 00:24:05,909 --> 00:24:04,400 billion dollar industry right now and 668 00:24:08,470 --> 00:24:05,919 it's on the way to targeting towards the 669 00:24:10,310 --> 00:24:08,480 trillion dollars and i suspect um it'll 670 00:24:13,510 --> 00:24:10,320 get here faster than we think 671 00:24:16,310 --> 00:24:13,520 uh and and for us uh as i said that that 672 00:24:18,950 --> 00:24:16,320 really equates to now it's not just the 673 00:24:21,190 --> 00:24:18,960 the venture capitalists that are highly 674 00:24:23,190 --> 00:24:21,200 uh you know that are geeks for space 675 00:24:25,750 --> 00:24:23,200 it's also it's also much more 676 00:24:27,510 --> 00:24:25,760 conventional people who are looking for 677 00:24:29,990 --> 00:24:27,520 opportunities and yes space is exciting 678 00:24:31,830 --> 00:24:30,000 so it draws a lot of extra but it's it's 679 00:24:34,310 --> 00:24:31,840 a lot more opportunities for for 680 00:24:35,909 --> 00:24:34,320 investment into capital investment and 681 00:24:37,830 --> 00:24:35,919 and that leads us to being able to take 682 00:24:40,870 --> 00:24:37,840 advantage of that and utilize this and 683 00:24:43,590 --> 00:24:40,880 and those uh that community is is is 684 00:24:44,710 --> 00:24:43,600 obviously low earth orbit suborbital 685 00:24:47,110 --> 00:24:44,720 orbit 686 00:24:48,789 --> 00:24:47,120 geo and stuff is is obviously a mainstay 687 00:24:50,789 --> 00:24:48,799 right now but it also is there's a 688 00:24:53,029 --> 00:24:50,799 strong push towards this lunar space and 689 00:24:54,710 --> 00:24:53,039 the utilization of that from an economy 690 00:24:55,830 --> 00:24:54,720 standpoint and so we're seeing a lot of 691 00:24:57,909 --> 00:24:55,840 investment that we can really take 692 00:25:00,070 --> 00:24:57,919 advantage of 693 00:25:01,830 --> 00:25:00,080 so as we move i guess into this space 694 00:25:02,789 --> 00:25:01,840 economy that's continuing to develop and 695 00:25:05,269 --> 00:25:02,799 grow 696 00:25:08,470 --> 00:25:05,279 we know that we need vision we need 697 00:25:10,710 --> 00:25:08,480 talent but we also need resources so can 698 00:25:12,630 --> 00:25:10,720 you help us understand and from your 699 00:25:14,549 --> 00:25:12,640 perspective how the recently released 700 00:25:17,350 --> 00:25:14,559 nasa budget supports artemis and the 701 00:25:18,870 --> 00:25:17,360 goals that we have 702 00:25:20,630 --> 00:25:18,880 you want me to start 703 00:25:23,029 --> 00:25:20,640 you offered all right 704 00:25:24,390 --> 00:25:23,039 um so so the 705 00:25:26,310 --> 00:25:24,400 the budget 706 00:25:29,510 --> 00:25:26,320 in supports us 707 00:25:31,029 --> 00:25:29,520 um with our our sls and orion vehicles 708 00:25:34,230 --> 00:25:31,039 that we need that's our that's our 709 00:25:36,070 --> 00:25:34,240 building block um it's a supports us 710 00:25:38,230 --> 00:25:36,080 getting to artemis three 711 00:25:39,909 --> 00:25:38,240 uh which includes the development of the 712 00:25:40,870 --> 00:25:39,919 lander and the suits 713 00:25:43,269 --> 00:25:40,880 um 714 00:25:44,870 --> 00:25:43,279 it it supports us starting this next 715 00:25:45,990 --> 00:25:44,880 lander procurement 716 00:25:48,630 --> 00:25:46,000 um 717 00:25:52,230 --> 00:25:48,640 what what i think we we nasa need to 718 00:25:54,390 --> 00:25:52,240 continue to focus on is where can we 719 00:25:55,350 --> 00:25:54,400 maximize those dollars on the budget to 720 00:25:57,350 --> 00:25:55,360 get 721 00:25:59,510 --> 00:25:57,360 to to go after things that other folks 722 00:26:01,909 --> 00:25:59,520 have already developed and where can we 723 00:26:05,510 --> 00:26:01,919 do better in how we perform on our 724 00:26:07,110 --> 00:26:05,520 program and and project work 725 00:26:09,269 --> 00:26:07,120 i talked at the beginning about the 726 00:26:11,590 --> 00:26:09,279 relationship between exploration systems 727 00:26:12,470 --> 00:26:11,600 development and space operations 728 00:26:17,269 --> 00:26:12,480 our 729 00:26:19,430 --> 00:26:17,279 uh space operations when they finish 730 00:26:22,310 --> 00:26:19,440 development and each one looks a little 731 00:26:24,950 --> 00:26:22,320 bit different but how we do that is 732 00:26:26,470 --> 00:26:24,960 intended to free up dollars to come back 733 00:26:29,269 --> 00:26:26,480 and start the next development if we 734 00:26:31,590 --> 00:26:29,279 don't do that then uh the budget that 735 00:26:34,230 --> 00:26:31,600 request is is there today and in the 736 00:26:36,230 --> 00:26:34,240 future is is not a value that's that's 737 00:26:39,190 --> 00:26:36,240 why these mission directives were set up 738 00:26:40,789 --> 00:26:39,200 and that's completely our job so 739 00:26:43,110 --> 00:26:40,799 i think the budget is there to support 740 00:26:45,430 --> 00:26:43,120 us through three start this new lander 741 00:26:47,190 --> 00:26:45,440 development help us get gateway up there 742 00:26:48,789 --> 00:26:47,200 get that infrastructure to start the 743 00:26:50,950 --> 00:26:48,799 science 744 00:26:53,350 --> 00:26:50,960 yeah you mentioned vision talent and 745 00:26:55,590 --> 00:26:53,360 resources and space ops we have 746 00:26:57,669 --> 00:26:55,600 resources to do lots of great things 747 00:26:59,190 --> 00:26:57,679 with commercial allele platforms 748 00:27:01,269 --> 00:26:59,200 continuing our 749 00:27:03,430 --> 00:27:01,279 commercial crew and cargo capabilities 750 00:27:05,190 --> 00:27:03,440 for the international space station 751 00:27:07,909 --> 00:27:05,200 maintain the international space station 752 00:27:08,789 --> 00:27:07,919 do new activities there and set up some 753 00:27:10,230 --> 00:27:08,799 new 754 00:27:13,190 --> 00:27:10,240 commercial approach to procuring 755 00:27:15,830 --> 00:27:13,200 communication services so there's a 756 00:27:17,190 --> 00:27:15,840 a lot in in the budget that we're 757 00:27:19,669 --> 00:27:17,200 allowed to do 758 00:27:22,470 --> 00:27:19,679 um you know the the vision part i i 759 00:27:24,630 --> 00:27:22,480 think is harder for us 760 00:27:27,110 --> 00:27:24,640 to to try and exactly see where we're 761 00:27:29,350 --> 00:27:27,120 going and what we need to do and and to 762 00:27:31,590 --> 00:27:29,360 stay out of the way as our commercial 763 00:27:34,310 --> 00:27:31,600 partners come up with with new ways of 764 00:27:36,549 --> 00:27:34,320 doing business um is tougher yeah the 765 00:27:39,269 --> 00:27:36,559 other thing that's that's tough is is 766 00:27:41,750 --> 00:27:39,279 having a sort of a unified regulatory 767 00:27:45,590 --> 00:27:41,760 framework because developing the the 768 00:27:48,549 --> 00:27:45,600 space economy is in nasa's interest 769 00:27:50,710 --> 00:27:48,559 we have taken on a lot ourselves 770 00:27:53,350 --> 00:27:50,720 where we try to facilitate the growth of 771 00:27:56,070 --> 00:27:53,360 different uh commercial entities uh and 772 00:27:57,909 --> 00:27:56,080 and and enable them to to get their job 773 00:27:59,990 --> 00:27:57,919 done but at some point that's not really 774 00:28:01,669 --> 00:28:00,000 nasa's job that needs to move out and 775 00:28:03,110 --> 00:28:01,679 into other parts of the government and 776 00:28:04,789 --> 00:28:03,120 and we're already seeing discussions 777 00:28:07,029 --> 00:28:04,799 there and that's one way you'll know the 778 00:28:09,190 --> 00:28:07,039 economy is growing is is work that nasa 779 00:28:11,350 --> 00:28:09,200 is doing now will move to commerce and 780 00:28:13,269 --> 00:28:11,360 the faa and we're seeing it start and 781 00:28:16,789 --> 00:28:13,279 we'll see more of it 782 00:28:18,389 --> 00:28:16,799 you know and from the talent side 783 00:28:20,149 --> 00:28:18,399 there's a number of companies that tell 784 00:28:22,149 --> 00:28:20,159 us how they're having a hard time 785 00:28:23,269 --> 00:28:22,159 holding on to their talent because the 786 00:28:24,630 --> 00:28:23,279 companies are growing in their 787 00:28:26,310 --> 00:28:24,640 neighborhood 788 00:28:27,830 --> 00:28:26,320 and i always thought what an amazing 789 00:28:29,430 --> 00:28:27,840 thing if you're an entrant into this 790 00:28:31,669 --> 00:28:29,440 industry because they're chasing you 791 00:28:34,149 --> 00:28:31,679 people are chasing you around town 792 00:28:36,070 --> 00:28:34,159 and i'm like that's that's an amazing 793 00:28:38,630 --> 00:28:36,080 thing it's kind of i see people that 794 00:28:40,070 --> 00:28:38,640 used to be i used to teach uh used to be 795 00:28:41,909 --> 00:28:40,080 in my classroom 796 00:28:43,990 --> 00:28:41,919 uh 10 plus years ago and they're in 797 00:28:45,990 --> 00:28:44,000 these leadership positions and companies 798 00:28:48,470 --> 00:28:46,000 they're in these leadership positions 799 00:28:50,950 --> 00:28:48,480 within uh within 800 00:28:52,789 --> 00:28:50,960 uh you know the agency frankly in many 801 00:28:55,190 --> 00:28:52,799 of the projects that half the shifts of 802 00:28:56,870 --> 00:28:55,200 the james webb space telescope at night 803 00:28:59,750 --> 00:28:56,880 the night shifts were run by one of my 804 00:29:02,310 --> 00:28:59,760 former students as the shift lead and so 805 00:29:03,909 --> 00:29:02,320 so i'm just tremendously proud of both 806 00:29:05,590 --> 00:29:03,919 what they're achieving this kind of 807 00:29:08,230 --> 00:29:05,600 generation that's behind us and i 808 00:29:09,590 --> 00:29:08,240 consider it our job as we're opening up 809 00:29:11,669 --> 00:29:09,600 that opportunity space both the 810 00:29:14,070 --> 00:29:11,679 commercial one but also from the talent 811 00:29:16,470 --> 00:29:14,080 perspective to really help the 812 00:29:18,070 --> 00:29:16,480 talent pipeline uh but i'm also just uh 813 00:29:19,430 --> 00:29:18,080 just in awe about the opportunities of 814 00:29:21,750 --> 00:29:19,440 the ones that are just 815 00:29:23,190 --> 00:29:21,760 you know coming out of schools now and 816 00:29:26,149 --> 00:29:23,200 kind of the opportunities that they have 817 00:29:28,870 --> 00:29:26,159 going forward including uh some of these 818 00:29:30,870 --> 00:29:28,880 skill sets such as welding and kind of 819 00:29:35,110 --> 00:29:30,880 manufacturing that are 820 00:29:39,669 --> 00:29:37,510 and what i'd say is um 821 00:29:41,909 --> 00:29:39,679 first of all the spacex budget for fy23 822 00:29:43,830 --> 00:29:41,919 we're pleased with it a lot it's enough 823 00:29:45,990 --> 00:29:43,840 for for us it maybe isn't everything 824 00:29:48,070 --> 00:29:46,000 we'd like to do but it never is um and 825 00:29:50,149 --> 00:29:48,080 it's enough to allow us to to really 826 00:29:52,470 --> 00:29:50,159 look at it and maintain a very broad 827 00:29:55,110 --> 00:29:52,480 portfolio perspective perspective 828 00:29:57,510 --> 00:29:55,120 portfolio as we i talked about sooner um 829 00:29:59,110 --> 00:29:57,520 a key part of this i think is to to 830 00:30:00,870 --> 00:29:59,120 really how do we operate with the 831 00:30:02,870 --> 00:30:00,880 community to ensure in the 832 00:30:05,750 --> 00:30:02,880 innovativeness and creativity as we're 833 00:30:07,430 --> 00:30:05,760 going along and uh so and the more we do 834 00:30:08,470 --> 00:30:07,440 things where we kind of leave open this 835 00:30:10,710 --> 00:30:08,480 trade space 836 00:30:13,190 --> 00:30:10,720 and and and have it have an open thought 837 00:30:14,870 --> 00:30:13,200 of how we do it uh of what what they 838 00:30:16,230 --> 00:30:14,880 might accomplish the eclipse is a great 839 00:30:18,389 --> 00:30:16,240 example of that and the payloads that 840 00:30:19,830 --> 00:30:18,399 are that are there as well uh and 841 00:30:21,669 --> 00:30:19,840 wherever we give something we're not 842 00:30:23,990 --> 00:30:21,679 quite as prescriptive creative things 843 00:30:26,710 --> 00:30:25,590 excellent so we talked a little bit 844 00:30:28,789 --> 00:30:26,720 about how there are so many 845 00:30:30,389 --> 00:30:28,799 opportunities now which i mean as a 846 00:30:32,149 --> 00:30:30,399 young professional myself i definitely 847 00:30:33,750 --> 00:30:32,159 see that i've got friends that are kind 848 00:30:35,430 --> 00:30:33,760 of have all these opportunities when 849 00:30:37,909 --> 00:30:35,440 they graduate which is a fantastic place 850 00:30:39,830 --> 00:30:37,919 for us to be i think as an industry 851 00:30:41,590 --> 00:30:39,840 but there are some out here you know 852 00:30:43,590 --> 00:30:41,600 perhaps future industry partners that 853 00:30:45,750 --> 00:30:43,600 are not involved in artemis right now 854 00:30:47,909 --> 00:30:45,760 they want to be part of it so what 855 00:30:49,830 --> 00:30:47,919 tactical steps can they take 856 00:30:52,149 --> 00:30:49,840 to join this whole mission for artemis 857 00:30:53,430 --> 00:30:52,159 and i think uh and jim i'll start with 858 00:30:54,549 --> 00:30:53,440 you because i think you mentioned some 859 00:30:57,269 --> 00:30:54,559 of that just a little bit in your 860 00:30:59,669 --> 00:30:57,279 opening remarks okay sure uh what i 861 00:31:01,990 --> 00:30:59,679 would say is probably the first way to 862 00:31:03,509 --> 00:31:02,000 that you need in order to get engaged 863 00:31:05,590 --> 00:31:03,519 you know is is to have a really good 864 00:31:07,990 --> 00:31:05,600 idea and or have something that that you 865 00:31:09,669 --> 00:31:08,000 address a need that's out there and and 866 00:31:12,070 --> 00:31:09,679 you have a prospect prospect for going 867 00:31:13,830 --> 00:31:12,080 to get it then we and then we have a lot 868 00:31:15,830 --> 00:31:13,840 of solicitations across the board here 869 00:31:17,990 --> 00:31:15,840 with that nasa where some of those ideas 870 00:31:19,430 --> 00:31:18,000 can be can be brought out for us that 871 00:31:20,870 --> 00:31:19,440 you know if you're a small business a 872 00:31:23,190 --> 00:31:20,880 great place to start is small business 873 00:31:24,950 --> 00:31:23,200 innovative research uh because because 874 00:31:26,870 --> 00:31:24,960 there's several hundred uh 875 00:31:28,870 --> 00:31:26,880 uh contracts small contracts that we 876 00:31:30,630 --> 00:31:28,880 have for a year to check it out along 877 00:31:31,750 --> 00:31:30,640 with a lot of other solicitations and i 878 00:31:33,350 --> 00:31:31,760 mentioned the tipping point that it's 879 00:31:35,830 --> 00:31:33,360 going now 880 00:31:38,470 --> 00:31:35,840 but and then beyond that um we have ways 881 00:31:40,389 --> 00:31:38,480 to to to have the to communicate with 882 00:31:42,149 --> 00:31:40,399 the community uh the i mentioned the 883 00:31:43,909 --> 00:31:42,159 lunar surface consortium that we have 884 00:31:45,430 --> 00:31:43,919 performed that's a great place that on a 885 00:31:47,669 --> 00:31:45,440 monthly basis you can see what's going 886 00:31:49,350 --> 00:31:47,679 on johns hopkins apl is the lead for 887 00:31:51,190 --> 00:31:49,360 that and so you can find you can readily 888 00:31:52,710 --> 00:31:51,200 find uh your your way to that through 889 00:31:55,110 --> 00:31:52,720 their website and so there's a lot of 890 00:31:57,029 --> 00:31:55,120 interaction in exchange we also from our 891 00:31:58,870 --> 00:31:57,039 standpoint have developed a strategic 892 00:32:00,549 --> 00:31:58,880 technology framework and with that 893 00:32:01,990 --> 00:32:00,559 framework we've identified the the 894 00:32:03,590 --> 00:32:02,000 outcomes that we're trying to achieve 895 00:32:05,830 --> 00:32:03,600 and then the capabilities that we need 896 00:32:07,190 --> 00:32:05,840 to have that have have to in order to 897 00:32:08,789 --> 00:32:07,200 achieve that 898 00:32:10,149 --> 00:32:08,799 and and those are things that we've 899 00:32:12,549 --> 00:32:10,159 we've developed now through our 900 00:32:13,750 --> 00:32:12,559 principal technologies how to put those 901 00:32:16,549 --> 00:32:13,760 things into 902 00:32:18,070 --> 00:32:16,559 what where is our um desired enhance uh 903 00:32:20,549 --> 00:32:18,080 desired uh 904 00:32:21,830 --> 00:32:20,559 future to be and our intent is here in 905 00:32:24,549 --> 00:32:21,840 the next couple months every couple 906 00:32:26,310 --> 00:32:24,559 months is is to release in four sets uh 907 00:32:27,909 --> 00:32:26,320 these these activities so so we get 908 00:32:29,669 --> 00:32:27,919 feedback from the community hopefully 909 00:32:30,789 --> 00:32:29,679 it's a two-way thing so you can see 910 00:32:32,149 --> 00:32:30,799 better of what we're thinking from a 911 00:32:34,389 --> 00:32:32,159 technology standpoint and also help 912 00:32:36,950 --> 00:32:34,399 guide us and so i think there's a very 913 00:32:40,710 --> 00:32:36,960 broad perspective spectrum but start 914 00:32:42,630 --> 00:32:40,720 with your good idea and start working it 915 00:32:44,070 --> 00:32:42,640 excellent any other ideas thoughts on 916 00:32:45,590 --> 00:32:44,080 how we can get involved you've got 917 00:32:47,669 --> 00:32:45,600 excited people out here in the audience 918 00:32:50,470 --> 00:32:47,679 that want to join in artemis i i would 919 00:32:53,110 --> 00:32:50,480 say we our architecture team for a 920 00:32:55,110 --> 00:32:53,120 number of years now has done some i'll 921 00:32:59,190 --> 00:32:55,120 say forward-leaning engagements with 922 00:33:01,430 --> 00:32:59,200 industry across the board big to small 923 00:33:03,190 --> 00:33:01,440 where we understand where where those 924 00:33:04,310 --> 00:33:03,200 entities are going with the work they'd 925 00:33:05,509 --> 00:33:04,320 like to 926 00:33:08,070 --> 00:33:05,519 pursue 927 00:33:10,870 --> 00:33:08,080 understand how it helps the overall 928 00:33:13,269 --> 00:33:10,880 architecture that we have and and and 929 00:33:16,070 --> 00:33:13,279 figure out where are those opportunities 930 00:33:18,789 --> 00:33:16,080 that we can utilize that technology and 931 00:33:20,870 --> 00:33:18,799 work with jim to figure out calls 932 00:33:23,350 --> 00:33:20,880 that uh that can elicit the things we're 933 00:33:25,990 --> 00:33:23,360 trying to buy down in our architecture 934 00:33:28,789 --> 00:33:26,000 so uh that was that's been led by uh 935 00:33:29,990 --> 00:33:28,799 greg chavers and doug craig uh i know 936 00:33:34,070 --> 00:33:30,000 they're they're 937 00:33:36,789 --> 00:33:34,080 think uh reaching out to them being 938 00:33:38,710 --> 00:33:36,799 proactive um i know that they have a 939 00:33:40,950 --> 00:33:38,720 couple industry uh 940 00:33:42,389 --> 00:33:40,960 interactions uh every year i know we're 941 00:33:44,710 --> 00:33:42,399 thinking about having one this summer 942 00:33:47,509 --> 00:33:44,720 that that's the way to understand here's 943 00:33:50,070 --> 00:33:47,519 what company x wants to pursue how can 944 00:33:51,990 --> 00:33:50,080 we help further that how can we utilize 945 00:33:54,149 --> 00:33:52,000 that much like we do with our critical 946 00:33:56,549 --> 00:33:54,159 international partners too yeah 947 00:33:58,310 --> 00:33:56,559 you know i think to get involved um 948 00:33:59,750 --> 00:33:58,320 the most important thing is a passion 949 00:34:03,029 --> 00:33:59,760 for the work 950 00:34:06,230 --> 00:34:03,039 and then some some great creative ideas 951 00:34:09,349 --> 00:34:06,240 um it's it's been fun to watch the small 952 00:34:12,149 --> 00:34:09,359 companies uh get involved 953 00:34:14,389 --> 00:34:12,159 just like the big companies um you know 954 00:34:16,710 --> 00:34:14,399 in our contracting efforts we've got 955 00:34:19,430 --> 00:34:16,720 requirements that big companies have to 956 00:34:20,790 --> 00:34:19,440 include small companies um so so i 957 00:34:21,669 --> 00:34:20,800 wouldn't um 958 00:34:26,550 --> 00:34:21,679 uh 959 00:34:27,990 --> 00:34:26,560 just a a graduate student right now with 960 00:34:29,829 --> 00:34:28,000 a neat idea 961 00:34:32,149 --> 00:34:29,839 i wouldn't let the fact that i'm a 962 00:34:33,430 --> 00:34:32,159 one-person company frighten me away from 963 00:34:36,069 --> 00:34:33,440 doing the business because if you've got 964 00:34:38,149 --> 00:34:36,079 the passion and you've got the ideas you 965 00:34:40,230 --> 00:34:38,159 can find a way to get built into the 966 00:34:42,310 --> 00:34:40,240 system and become part of what we do in 967 00:34:44,069 --> 00:34:42,320 low earth orbit and what we'll do beyond 968 00:34:45,109 --> 00:34:44,079 low earth orbit 969 00:34:47,190 --> 00:34:45,119 excellent 970 00:34:48,470 --> 00:34:47,200 so i have a question from the audience 971 00:34:50,470 --> 00:34:48,480 now we're going to transition to some of 972 00:34:52,389 --> 00:34:50,480 your questions thanks for sending them 973 00:34:54,470 --> 00:34:52,399 and this one's for you dr z 974 00:34:56,389 --> 00:34:54,480 uh what are the key science objectives 975 00:34:59,190 --> 00:34:56,399 that you want to achieve on the lunar 976 00:35:00,790 --> 00:34:59,200 surface beyond 2024. 977 00:35:03,670 --> 00:35:00,800 this is our bookends because it's got 978 00:35:04,870 --> 00:35:03,680 science in it that's right 979 00:35:06,630 --> 00:35:04,880 uh look uh 980 00:35:08,710 --> 00:35:06,640 i think the core objective and by the 981 00:35:10,630 --> 00:35:08,720 way i'm talking about both what i'm 982 00:35:12,790 --> 00:35:10,640 hearing from 983 00:35:14,710 --> 00:35:12,800 the national academies you should know 984 00:35:17,349 --> 00:35:14,720 next week i will get 985 00:35:19,670 --> 00:35:17,359 the strategy uh the the planetary 986 00:35:21,430 --> 00:35:19,680 strategy from the national academies i i 987 00:35:23,829 --> 00:35:21,440 ask for that not because i don't know 988 00:35:26,390 --> 00:35:23,839 how to make decisions but i'm not good 989 00:35:28,230 --> 00:35:26,400 in most science so i'm just good in very 990 00:35:30,470 --> 00:35:28,240 little science so basically trading 991 00:35:33,190 --> 00:35:30,480 science against science i really want 992 00:35:35,349 --> 00:35:33,200 another body that is smarter than me uh 993 00:35:37,270 --> 00:35:35,359 to make this and so you should know that 994 00:35:40,069 --> 00:35:37,280 that decadal that we're going to get 995 00:35:42,710 --> 00:35:40,079 actually has as a task the integration 996 00:35:45,349 --> 00:35:42,720 uh or into artemis directly so i just 997 00:35:47,030 --> 00:35:45,359 want to tell everybody even though what 998 00:35:48,150 --> 00:35:47,040 i'm going to tell you is what my belief 999 00:35:50,470 --> 00:35:48,160 is today 1000 00:35:51,510 --> 00:35:50,480 next week i'm getting really important 1001 00:35:52,950 --> 00:35:51,520 guidance 1002 00:35:54,870 --> 00:35:52,960 the highest priority is really focused 1003 00:35:57,190 --> 00:35:54,880 on resources and volatiles both because 1004 00:35:59,190 --> 00:35:57,200 of the science uh that kind of water 1005 00:36:00,950 --> 00:35:59,200 cycle on the surface of mars uh sorry if 1006 00:36:03,750 --> 00:36:00,960 surprise of mood there's one on mars two 1007 00:36:06,310 --> 00:36:03,760 but uh surface on the moon uh is really 1008 00:36:08,950 --> 00:36:06,320 critical i think the other thing is uh 1009 00:36:10,870 --> 00:36:08,960 really the if you want uh understanding 1010 00:36:12,790 --> 00:36:10,880 the history of the earth system and we 1011 00:36:14,550 --> 00:36:12,800 actually think that dating the earth the 1012 00:36:16,310 --> 00:36:14,560 best way of doing that is at the moon we 1013 00:36:18,470 --> 00:36:16,320 have specific areas you want to go take 1014 00:36:20,550 --> 00:36:18,480 measurements that really take kind of 1015 00:36:22,390 --> 00:36:20,560 ambiguities in our kind of chronology 1016 00:36:24,470 --> 00:36:22,400 off the table of course the history of 1017 00:36:26,230 --> 00:36:24,480 the moon is our history so there's 1018 00:36:29,190 --> 00:36:26,240 important signs for that and i think the 1019 00:36:31,589 --> 00:36:29,200 third piece is really utilizing the moon 1020 00:36:32,950 --> 00:36:31,599 uh kind of in its environment as to do 1021 00:36:34,790 --> 00:36:32,960 measurements that otherwise are not 1022 00:36:36,310 --> 00:36:34,800 possible i want to refer back to the 1023 00:36:38,390 --> 00:36:36,320 lucid instrument i already described 1024 00:36:40,310 --> 00:36:38,400 that uses the radio quiet regions so 1025 00:36:41,510 --> 00:36:40,320 those are the three that i would focus 1026 00:36:42,630 --> 00:36:41,520 on 1027 00:36:44,870 --> 00:36:42,640 thank you 1028 00:36:46,310 --> 00:36:44,880 so another question from our audience 1029 00:36:47,589 --> 00:36:46,320 with international collaboration 1030 00:36:49,510 --> 00:36:47,599 missions such as james webb space 1031 00:36:51,109 --> 00:36:49,520 telescope and other successful stories 1032 00:36:53,349 --> 00:36:51,119 of us all coming together around 1033 00:36:55,589 --> 00:36:53,359 important missions do you see european 1034 00:36:57,750 --> 00:36:55,599 space partners and more global space 1035 00:37:01,270 --> 00:36:57,760 partners also embracing and shaping that 1036 00:37:04,870 --> 00:37:03,270 yeah i guess i'll start 1037 00:37:08,230 --> 00:37:04,880 those international partners i mentioned 1038 00:37:11,750 --> 00:37:08,240 earlier are absolutely critical to us 1039 00:37:12,950 --> 00:37:11,760 and and the agencies that that we 1040 00:37:15,750 --> 00:37:12,960 partner with 1041 00:37:17,349 --> 00:37:15,760 have an industry that they rely on to uh 1042 00:37:19,589 --> 00:37:17,359 to build that hardware 1043 00:37:21,430 --> 00:37:19,599 and i would expect that innovation i 1044 00:37:23,510 --> 00:37:21,440 think i wrote it down thomas the 1045 00:37:25,030 --> 00:37:23,520 innovative flywheel that you you 1046 00:37:28,150 --> 00:37:25,040 mentioned earlier every time i listen to 1047 00:37:30,230 --> 00:37:28,160 thomas i learned something um 1048 00:37:32,790 --> 00:37:30,240 is is spinning just as well in those 1049 00:37:34,950 --> 00:37:32,800 other countries and and seeing the way 1050 00:37:36,950 --> 00:37:34,960 the space economy has taken off i would 1051 00:37:38,950 --> 00:37:36,960 expect that that commercial and i think 1052 00:37:41,349 --> 00:37:38,960 you're seeing it now that commercial to 1053 00:37:42,310 --> 00:37:41,359 roll out of out of that that effort as 1054 00:37:43,750 --> 00:37:42,320 well 1055 00:37:45,670 --> 00:37:43,760 so one of the things that i want to talk 1056 00:37:47,190 --> 00:37:45,680 about that i think 1057 00:37:48,630 --> 00:37:47,200 it's just that there's a lot of learning 1058 00:37:51,829 --> 00:37:48,640 ahead of us 1059 00:37:53,109 --> 00:37:51,839 and i don't think i certainly didn't 1060 00:37:54,790 --> 00:37:53,119 want to give the impression that we 1061 00:37:56,630 --> 00:37:54,800 figured i figured it out i don't want to 1062 00:37:58,470 --> 00:37:56,640 speak for my colleagues let me give you 1063 00:38:00,230 --> 00:37:58,480 one of the examples it's really clear 1064 00:38:02,630 --> 00:38:00,240 that the entrepreneurial ecosystem just 1065 00:38:05,109 --> 00:38:02,640 if you look at just sheer amount of uh 1066 00:38:07,829 --> 00:38:05,119 you know venture capital or kind of 1067 00:38:10,470 --> 00:38:07,839 expanded in the united states by far uh 1068 00:38:12,230 --> 00:38:10,480 eclipses where what happens elsewhere so 1069 00:38:14,310 --> 00:38:12,240 what that does it creates kind of 1070 00:38:15,990 --> 00:38:14,320 tension so we of course 1071 00:38:19,030 --> 00:38:16,000 our international partners are dear to 1072 00:38:20,630 --> 00:38:19,040 us and and uh we love working with them 1073 00:38:22,470 --> 00:38:20,640 on the missions two-thirds of science 1074 00:38:24,710 --> 00:38:22,480 missions have international partnership 1075 00:38:27,349 --> 00:38:24,720 all of the core kind of elements that 1076 00:38:29,349 --> 00:38:27,359 that we're doing have them and we think 1077 00:38:31,270 --> 00:38:29,359 that makes us stronger but what we need 1078 00:38:32,950 --> 00:38:31,280 to figure out now is how do we make sure 1079 00:38:34,790 --> 00:38:32,960 that in fact the 1080 00:38:36,550 --> 00:38:34,800 industries in these other partnerships 1081 00:38:39,109 --> 00:38:36,560 wherever they are whether in europe in 1082 00:38:41,990 --> 00:38:39,119 japan whether they're elsewhere that 1083 00:38:43,270 --> 00:38:42,000 they too cannot find kind of 1084 00:38:45,589 --> 00:38:43,280 support 1085 00:38:47,430 --> 00:38:45,599 without really if you if you want taking 1086 00:38:48,630 --> 00:38:47,440 energy out of the commercial ecosystem 1087 00:38:50,069 --> 00:38:48,640 i'll give you an example just so you 1088 00:38:51,510 --> 00:38:50,079 know what i'm talking about 1089 00:38:53,030 --> 00:38:51,520 we could be working with every 1090 00:38:55,190 --> 00:38:53,040 international partner and creating 1091 00:38:57,750 --> 00:38:55,200 agreements to fly their instruments to 1092 00:38:59,430 --> 00:38:57,760 the moon using commercial lunar payload 1093 00:39:01,270 --> 00:38:59,440 services i think that would be a 1094 00:39:03,589 --> 00:39:01,280 horrific mistake 1095 00:39:04,950 --> 00:39:03,599 because what i just do is i destroy part 1096 00:39:06,470 --> 00:39:04,960 of the market 1097 00:39:09,030 --> 00:39:06,480 uh for the commercial lunar payload 1098 00:39:11,430 --> 00:39:09,040 surfaces the kind of a freak a less a 1099 00:39:14,630 --> 00:39:11,440 market with less friction as one where 1100 00:39:16,790 --> 00:39:14,640 over time that commercial you know 1101 00:39:18,470 --> 00:39:16,800 our international partners say hey i'm 1102 00:39:19,510 --> 00:39:18,480 going to work with this company 1103 00:39:22,310 --> 00:39:19,520 and go 1104 00:39:24,230 --> 00:39:22,320 work with them directly so how we get 1105 00:39:25,990 --> 00:39:24,240 from where we are today we're perfectly 1106 00:39:28,069 --> 00:39:26,000 excited to have these discussions but 1107 00:39:30,230 --> 00:39:28,079 how do we get to this world that's much 1108 00:39:32,230 --> 00:39:30,240 more seamless and kind of without 1109 00:39:33,670 --> 00:39:32,240 boundary kind of like the commercial 1110 00:39:35,270 --> 00:39:33,680 entities are something we're still 1111 00:39:37,109 --> 00:39:35,280 learning 1112 00:39:37,829 --> 00:39:37,119 excellent 1113 00:39:40,470 --> 00:39:37,839 so 1114 00:39:42,710 --> 00:39:40,480 as we kind of i guess reset tai bo on 1115 00:39:44,230 --> 00:39:42,720 this conversation we started with 1116 00:39:46,390 --> 00:39:44,240 talking a little bit about what artemis 1117 00:39:48,230 --> 00:39:46,400 really is what artemis means and we've 1118 00:39:49,990 --> 00:39:48,240 detailed some really important pieces of 1119 00:39:51,750 --> 00:39:50,000 the partnerships the talent you know all 1120 00:39:53,670 --> 00:39:51,760 the resources but what i want to 1121 00:39:55,750 --> 00:39:53,680 challenge us to do just to kind of close 1122 00:39:56,790 --> 00:39:55,760 out our panel is to fast forward a few 1123 00:39:59,430 --> 00:39:56,800 decades 1124 00:40:01,670 --> 00:39:59,440 and look to the future so if artemis as 1125 00:40:03,510 --> 00:40:01,680 we understand it today all goes as 1126 00:40:05,670 --> 00:40:03,520 planned what do you think the space 1127 00:40:08,950 --> 00:40:05,680 economy looks like maybe 20 years from 1128 00:40:13,670 --> 00:40:10,870 uh i guess i'll go first and they'll 1129 00:40:15,829 --> 00:40:13,680 improve on any answer i come up with um 1130 00:40:18,870 --> 00:40:15,839 i i think i see it evolving 1131 00:40:21,430 --> 00:40:18,880 much like low earth orbit has 1132 00:40:22,470 --> 00:40:21,440 our access to low earth orbit to space 1133 00:40:25,829 --> 00:40:22,480 station 1134 00:40:27,510 --> 00:40:25,839 is now a service i would expect us 1135 00:40:29,829 --> 00:40:27,520 to have 1136 00:40:32,069 --> 00:40:29,839 built the sustainability that pam talked 1137 00:40:35,030 --> 00:40:32,079 about on the lunar surface 1138 00:40:37,670 --> 00:40:35,040 that allows us to 1139 00:40:40,790 --> 00:40:37,680 access the lunar surface in a commercial 1140 00:40:43,430 --> 00:40:40,800 way as well our job at nasa is to not 1141 00:40:45,349 --> 00:40:43,440 hold on uh hold on to things many folks 1142 00:40:47,750 --> 00:40:45,359 say why are we doing services for 1143 00:40:49,750 --> 00:40:47,760 landers because we we don't want to own 1144 00:40:51,589 --> 00:40:49,760 that forever we want to use that as a 1145 00:40:53,990 --> 00:40:51,599 service so that we're pushing the next 1146 00:40:55,589 --> 00:40:54,000 boundary so in 20 years i'm hopeful that 1147 00:40:57,990 --> 00:40:55,599 there is some kind of infrastructure on 1148 00:41:00,230 --> 00:40:58,000 the lunar surface that is available to 1149 00:41:02,470 --> 00:41:00,240 commercial entities that is used by 1150 00:41:05,430 --> 00:41:02,480 commercial entities that we still use 1151 00:41:08,150 --> 00:41:05,440 but not as the the sole owner and we are 1152 00:41:10,309 --> 00:41:08,160 pushing on our way to mars if that's the 1153 00:41:14,309 --> 00:41:10,319 case then there's an economy there that 1154 00:41:16,710 --> 00:41:14,319 we have been a part of creating 1155 00:41:19,030 --> 00:41:16,720 yeah um you know it's always fraught 1156 00:41:23,030 --> 00:41:19,040 with peril to try and predict the future 1157 00:41:24,710 --> 00:41:23,040 but um what i see is is like jim said 1158 00:41:27,510 --> 00:41:24,720 what we've got going on in leo right now 1159 00:41:29,030 --> 00:41:27,520 will move out to cis-lunar space 1160 00:41:31,030 --> 00:41:29,040 and we'll see 1161 00:41:32,630 --> 00:41:31,040 private missions that that go to the 1162 00:41:34,390 --> 00:41:32,640 lunar surface 1163 00:41:36,790 --> 00:41:34,400 i think we'll see 1164 00:41:38,870 --> 00:41:36,800 some people that go there for 1165 00:41:41,270 --> 00:41:38,880 private science reasons or to explore 1166 00:41:43,589 --> 00:41:41,280 for resources we'll see missions that 1167 00:41:45,109 --> 00:41:43,599 aren't driven by government requirements 1168 00:41:47,910 --> 00:41:45,119 but they're driven by private 1169 00:41:49,910 --> 00:41:47,920 requirements and at some point 20 years 1170 00:41:50,950 --> 00:41:49,920 is probably a little too soon but at 1171 00:41:53,430 --> 00:41:50,960 some point we're going to see 1172 00:41:55,510 --> 00:41:53,440 exploration missions that are driven by 1173 00:41:57,030 --> 00:41:55,520 uh corporations on earth rather than by 1174 00:41:58,630 --> 00:41:57,040 the government 1175 00:41:59,990 --> 00:41:58,640 and i think there's important 1176 00:42:00,950 --> 00:42:00,000 transitions that are really hard to 1177 00:42:03,109 --> 00:42:00,960 predict 1178 00:42:05,349 --> 00:42:03,119 but are already at the horizon now the 1179 00:42:06,870 --> 00:42:05,359 availability of big launch 1180 00:42:08,309 --> 00:42:06,880 large launch systems whether it's the 1181 00:42:10,470 --> 00:42:08,319 one that you're you talked about the 1182 00:42:12,790 --> 00:42:10,480 beginning uh some of the commercial 1183 00:42:14,550 --> 00:42:12,800 options fundamentally change how we do 1184 00:42:17,430 --> 00:42:14,560 things you know standing in front of the 1185 00:42:19,589 --> 00:42:17,440 uh ariane 5 with the james webb space 1186 00:42:21,750 --> 00:42:19,599 telescope on it uh 10 billion dollars of 1187 00:42:23,510 --> 00:42:21,760 investment you know like i don't wish 1188 00:42:25,910 --> 00:42:23,520 that on another person necessarily and 1189 00:42:28,069 --> 00:42:25,920 the ariane 5 team did such an amazing 1190 00:42:30,550 --> 00:42:28,079 job but the question is how do we kind 1191 00:42:32,630 --> 00:42:30,560 of transfer you know a future kind of in 1192 00:42:35,430 --> 00:42:32,640 this environment how do we create 1193 00:42:38,150 --> 00:42:35,440 solutions for advanced telescopes for uh 1194 00:42:40,630 --> 00:42:38,160 earth observing systems that really use 1195 00:42:44,069 --> 00:42:40,640 these these kind of tool sets that that 1196 00:42:46,550 --> 00:42:44,079 we've talked about uh to me i think uh a 1197 00:42:49,190 --> 00:42:46,560 significant fraction of signs will move 1198 00:42:51,990 --> 00:42:49,200 in that space uh and our job is of 1199 00:42:53,030 --> 00:42:52,000 course that as an agency is to uh first 1200 00:42:55,190 --> 00:42:53,040 both 1201 00:42:57,270 --> 00:42:55,200 utilize that but also focus on the 1202 00:42:59,750 --> 00:42:57,280 leading edge and trying to make sure 1203 00:43:02,230 --> 00:42:59,760 that we build i hope 20 years from now a 1204 00:43:04,630 --> 00:43:02,240 spacecraft that goes to other stars 1205 00:43:07,430 --> 00:43:04,640 right and i mean of course we need to do 1206 00:43:09,510 --> 00:43:07,440 that we have nuclear systems that are 1207 00:43:12,230 --> 00:43:09,520 really providing power 1208 00:43:14,309 --> 00:43:12,240 in many as places and also propulsion in 1209 00:43:16,390 --> 00:43:14,319 every kind of orders of magnitude above 1210 00:43:18,150 --> 00:43:16,400 what we currently have and so so it's 1211 00:43:19,030 --> 00:43:18,160 these things that we should be focused 1212 00:43:21,510 --> 00:43:19,040 on 1213 00:43:22,790 --> 00:43:21,520 yeah and what i'd say is first of all i 1214 00:43:24,550 --> 00:43:22,800 hope there's a rough parallel with the 1215 00:43:26,470 --> 00:43:24,560 airline industry 1216 00:43:28,710 --> 00:43:26,480 that we start seeing that especially in 1217 00:43:29,510 --> 00:43:28,720 in in the places where it's more natural 1218 00:43:35,430 --> 00:43:29,520 and 1219 00:43:37,430 --> 00:43:35,440 that that there's some technology 1220 00:43:39,829 --> 00:43:37,440 advancements we can still 1221 00:43:41,349 --> 00:43:39,839 engage in like we do with their armd 1222 00:43:42,710 --> 00:43:41,359 with our research organization 1223 00:43:45,030 --> 00:43:42,720 aeronautics 1224 00:43:47,430 --> 00:43:45,040 but but that too largely it's a service 1225 00:43:49,510 --> 00:43:47,440 thing and we we set our attention on the 1226 00:43:51,109 --> 00:43:49,520 next great thing and i i don't think in 1227 00:43:52,630 --> 00:43:51,119 20 or 40 years we're going to run out of 1228 00:43:54,230 --> 00:43:52,640 next great things 1229 00:43:56,150 --> 00:43:54,240 and but we'll go farther and further in 1230 00:43:58,470 --> 00:43:56,160 our exploration we'll we'll leave this 1231 00:43:59,910 --> 00:43:58,480 solar system and we'll go beyond 1232 00:44:01,349 --> 00:43:59,920 outstanding all right so i'm going to 1233 00:44:03,030 --> 00:44:01,359 bring us back from the future we're here 1234 00:44:04,870 --> 00:44:03,040 today in colorado springs or if you're 1235 00:44:06,309 --> 00:44:04,880 online with us virtually 1236 00:44:07,829 --> 00:44:06,319 so i want to thank you all of our 1237 00:44:09,750 --> 00:44:07,839 distinguished panelists for the 1238 00:44:11,670 --> 00:44:09,760 wonderful discussion i think the future 1239 00:44:13,109 --> 00:44:11,680 is bright in space and artemis just 1240 00:44:15,670 --> 00:44:13,119 shines so brightly 1241 00:44:16,950 --> 00:44:15,680 thank you all for joining us and 1242 00:44:35,500 --> 00:44:16,960 hope you have a wonderful rest of your